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	<title>Comments on: Update on the Straw Bale Root Cellar</title>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.dropstonefarms.com/2009/04/update-on-the-straw-bale-root-cellar/comment-page-1/#comment-3400</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G&amp;L!  You&#039;re hilarious- certainly made a good new compost pile.  Straw by itself is very unstable material!  If&#039;n &#039;yall will allow me a little indulgence here...

In your moist climate, and keeping with the organic and natural theme, most people make a viscous mix of horse manure and water and soil stripped of organics (fresh clay silt and sand) that when applied to the bale walls will weatherize AND provide structure.  This &#039;manure mortar&#039; will last for many years, is easy to patch, and will take on the color of whatever clay and sand you use (good colors come from pure quartz sand, or a yellow ochre clay... in addition to a little hue de poop).  Keep the whole thing off the ground with a gravel bed.  And if you wrap the bales with chicken wire and sew it tight to the bales with a long metal needle and twine prior to manure-ing, you can cleverly sew in door frames and windows and roof support and/or skids..... finish with linseed oil on the outside!  From experience with straw bale building-  no one should use them for a root cellar without extreme consideration for ventilation!  Humidty+straw bale = rot = destroyed food + hazard.  Only one bale cellar is in good shape that I&#039;ve seen.  There, they placed a water barrier between the bales and an inch-thick cement coating on the buried surface, and backfilled with fine gravel over a drainpipe to prevent moisture buildup.  They also added ventilation and earthen plaster to the inside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G&amp;L!  You&#8217;re hilarious- certainly made a good new compost pile.  Straw by itself is very unstable material!  If&#8217;n &#8216;yall will allow me a little indulgence here&#8230;</p>
<p>In your moist climate, and keeping with the organic and natural theme, most people make a viscous mix of horse manure and water and soil stripped of organics (fresh clay silt and sand) that when applied to the bale walls will weatherize AND provide structure.  This &#8216;manure mortar&#8217; will last for many years, is easy to patch, and will take on the color of whatever clay and sand you use (good colors come from pure quartz sand, or a yellow ochre clay&#8230; in addition to a little hue de poop).  Keep the whole thing off the ground with a gravel bed.  And if you wrap the bales with chicken wire and sew it tight to the bales with a long metal needle and twine prior to manure-ing, you can cleverly sew in door frames and windows and roof support and/or skids&#8230;.. finish with linseed oil on the outside!  From experience with straw bale building-  no one should use them for a root cellar without extreme consideration for ventilation!  Humidty+straw bale = rot = destroyed food + hazard.  Only one bale cellar is in good shape that I&#8217;ve seen.  There, they placed a water barrier between the bales and an inch-thick cement coating on the buried surface, and backfilled with fine gravel over a drainpipe to prevent moisture buildup.  They also added ventilation and earthen plaster to the inside.</p>
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		<title>By: Dropstone Farms &#187; Hay Hook and Straw Bale Root Cellar</title>
		<link>http://www.dropstonefarms.com/2009/04/update-on-the-straw-bale-root-cellar/comment-page-1/#comment-3370</link>
		<dc:creator>Dropstone Farms &#187; Hay Hook and Straw Bale Root Cellar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] UPDATE: We noticed a lot of folks are finding this post via Google, so we wrote an update on the success &#8212; lack thereof &#8212; of the straw bale root cellar. Read it here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] UPDATE: We noticed a lot of folks are finding this post via Google, so we wrote an update on the success &#8212; lack thereof &#8212; of the straw bale root cellar. Read it here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://www.dropstonefarms.com/2009/04/update-on-the-straw-bale-root-cellar/comment-page-1/#comment-3322</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 15:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All we really lost from the bales was some apples, actually. We had moved the potatoes out because it was too humid in there. The onions never even made it out there, I don&#039;t think. Garth&#039;s entertaining picture is actually onions and potatoes that were stored in a closet in an unheated room but that still got overenthusiastic come spring. 

For some reason I don&#039;t mind losing apples as much as I would mind potatoes and onions. so it&#039;s a relatively small price to have paid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All we really lost from the bales was some apples, actually. We had moved the potatoes out because it was too humid in there. The onions never even made it out there, I don&#8217;t think. Garth&#8217;s entertaining picture is actually onions and potatoes that were stored in a closet in an unheated room but that still got overenthusiastic come spring. </p>
<p>For some reason I don&#8217;t mind losing apples as much as I would mind potatoes and onions. so it&#8217;s a relatively small price to have paid.</p>
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		<title>By: Mangochild</title>
		<link>http://www.dropstonefarms.com/2009/04/update-on-the-straw-bale-root-cellar/comment-page-1/#comment-3320</link>
		<dc:creator>Mangochild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 10:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry it didn&#039;t work for you, but the best part of the post was reading how the veg gets turned into compost - even though it wasn&#039;t able to feed you, in a way it did by helping the new veg that you are planting this season.  I read about the straw bale root cellar idea but couldn&#039;t get my mind around it this winter, so I did the &quot;cool dark place&quot; storage on its own.  I guess its an ongoing challenge, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry it didn&#8217;t work for you, but the best part of the post was reading how the veg gets turned into compost &#8211; even though it wasn&#8217;t able to feed you, in a way it did by helping the new veg that you are planting this season.  I read about the straw bale root cellar idea but couldn&#8217;t get my mind around it this winter, so I did the &#8220;cool dark place&#8221; storage on its own.  I guess its an ongoing challenge, right?</p>
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		<title>By: garth</title>
		<link>http://www.dropstonefarms.com/2009/04/update-on-the-straw-bale-root-cellar/comment-page-1/#comment-3313</link>
		<dc:creator>garth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 03:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silly is the least of our search terms...

I&#039;m not concerned about our losses in storage. I&#039;d like to do better, of course, but there&#039;s a certain amount of loss that one can expect when storing vegetables.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silly is the least of our search terms&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not concerned about our losses in storage. I&#8217;d like to do better, of course, but there&#8217;s a certain amount of loss that one can expect when storing vegetables.</p>
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		<title>By: Sinfonian</title>
		<link>http://www.dropstonefarms.com/2009/04/update-on-the-straw-bale-root-cellar/comment-page-1/#comment-3310</link>
		<dc:creator>Sinfonian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 00:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and you should see the things folks search for on my blog.  Silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and you should see the things folks search for on my blog.  Silly.</p>
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		<title>By: Sinfonian</title>
		<link>http://www.dropstonefarms.com/2009/04/update-on-the-straw-bale-root-cellar/comment-page-1/#comment-3309</link>
		<dc:creator>Sinfonian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 00:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So sorry to hear that.  Last winter I was thinking back to the days when my grandparents had a root cellar.  How useful those were.  Unfortunately we live with a very high water table and thus no way to dig down a story.

Alas, for now we&#039;re out of options on a root cellar here.  Hope you can figure it out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So sorry to hear that.  Last winter I was thinking back to the days when my grandparents had a root cellar.  How useful those were.  Unfortunately we live with a very high water table and thus no way to dig down a story.</p>
<p>Alas, for now we&#8217;re out of options on a root cellar here.  Hope you can figure it out!</p>
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